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Post by joeyp on Apr 29, 2009 21:33:11 GMT -5
I'm not going to push it anymore, let's just see who agrees with me.
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Post by sirdirx on Apr 29, 2009 22:25:23 GMT -5
Yes, I'm here, but extremely busy. I won't be able to get to the game thread until later tonight (and I mean late). Couple notes: going after that 'slip' probably isn't too good to go on; the stronger players will likely look at you closely for it. Fortunately for you, you're new, and most of the players here aren't familiar with your mafia playstyle. And those that are (eg, Ed) know that you were easily misled along with several other townies in the last game.
and depending on how early Mahaloth gets infected, he probably won't need to pray right away. Can town simply voluntarily turn sinner? I could be wrong, but didn't get that impression; seems to me that they can only become infected through being the final voter in an execution or through any Sinner night actions. I'm also willing to bet that there's at least one role who is compelled to pray to become pure, and cannot choose to align with the sinners. This game is a very closed setup, and has layers of complexity. I wouldn't put it past our mod to throw stuff like this in, especially to avoid potentially game-breaking decisions (mass conversion to sin).
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Post by sirdirx on Apr 29, 2009 22:29:41 GMT -5
Also, looks like it's probably just us. Unless there's a hidden scum (doesn't know who we are and/or we don't know him, no access to these boards unless/until we notice him, if he can access at all), or someone is pulling the trick I saw in the Evil Dead game (player deliberately chose to ignore his role and alignment, played as town, but, unknowingly, was really scum. I believe the other scum players in that game were a little peeved).
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Post by sirdirx on Apr 29, 2009 22:30:07 GMT -5
NETA: and I think these are both pretty unlikely scenarios.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 29, 2009 22:45:54 GMT -5
What's the deal with Meeko? Dirx, you said he was new, mahaloth said he's experienced. On the public board, he said this is second game (I think he said he played in the Split game), but he just said that he just asked if you could change your vote (skimming again), and then when someone explained to him how to do it, he said he wondered at one time what an 'unvote' was. I'm not sure what his deal is yet.
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Post by sirdirx on Apr 30, 2009 2:24:30 GMT -5
I'm really sorry, everyone. The amount of work that's been dumped on me has skyrocketed. There's no way I can handle two games on top of it, and since this game appears several orders of magnitude more complex over the other one I'm in, I'm afraid I've chosen to sub out of here. My time looks like it will free up significantly after a couple weeks or so, but that's too long for my comfort; I'd rather someone more competent take my place.
I was really looking forward to working with you guys, too. 'Specially you, Joey, after having just played against you in our previous game.
Again, I'm really sorry. Best of luck to you guys.
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Post by mahaloth on Apr 30, 2009 7:47:07 GMT -5
I think you are wrong, Joey.
I never said Meeko was experienced; this is his FIRST game I believe. I played a non-mafia game with him, though.
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Post by mahaloth on Apr 30, 2009 8:42:56 GMT -5
Oooh, sorry to hear about that, Dirx.
Good luck.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 8:48:10 GMT -5
Nevermind, you said "based on our Haggle games" which I assumed was another variation of Mafia games, I stand corrected. As for the warewolf thing, I think that was you I was thinking of. Nevermind again.
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Post by mahaloth on Apr 30, 2009 9:05:32 GMT -5
Be aware that Meeko voted to execute instead of ostracize.
This may be used to indicate he is a "sinner" trying to push for execution and spread the seed of sin.
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Post by mahaloth on Apr 30, 2009 13:05:46 GMT -5
Joey, you are sinful, right?
I think Ped said sinful Blackhearts can pray to be restored to purity. If we need to do that to avoid having sin take over, it might be worth it. You would lose your ability to investigate or kill each night.
I assume praying is private, as we don't want to reveal anything.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 13:07:56 GMT -5
I am sinful, but only previously pure people my pray. So I can't ever be pure in this game.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 13:27:25 GMT -5
Actually, I should restate that to say that my PM says nothing about whether I am pure or sinful, but I'm under the impression that I and Dirx are and you, mahaloth are not.
Ped, can you tell me what happens when a sinful person get's the seed of sin? What does the rest of the board see when that happens?
Something else I just realized, we have no power role that can determine what another player is. I can tell if they are sinful or not, Dirx can protect others, but neither of us has a good way of scouting out power roles. I'm willing to bet the sinners and town have one though.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 15:20:37 GMT -5
mahaloth, re 1.219, IMHO you should never publicialy mention that you are voting someone that you don't think is scum. On my last game someone did that and got lynched for it. I understand what you meant, and it's only day 1 so hopefully no one will notice it, but look at who's being voted right now, 1 person for editing the color of a post, 1 person for calling themself a sinner even though I don't think they meant to, with people just stabbing in the dark, I wouldn't mention that you are voting someone that you think will probably be town, if nothing else, it's pretty anti-town to do that.
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Post by pede on Apr 30, 2009 17:18:04 GMT -5
Actually, I should restate that to say that my PM says nothing about whether I am pure or sinful, but I'm under the impression that I and Dirx are and you, mahaloth are not. Ped, can you tell me what happens when a sinful person get's the seed of sin? What does the rest of the board see when that happens?Something else I just realized, we have no power role that can determine what another player is. I can tell if they are sinful or not, Dirx can protect others, but neither of us has a good way of scouting out power roles. I'm willing to bet the sinners and town have one though. When an already sinful person gets the seed of sin: -Nothing happens. When a previously pure person gets the seed of sin: -They choose whether or not to change their win con Which is not visible to anyone else.
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Post by mahaloth on Apr 30, 2009 20:34:53 GMT -5
Joey, what is your opinon of specialed?
He says some weird things there. What is his play style like?
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 20:59:07 GMT -5
If you're bored take a look through the Alpha Centuri game at Giraffeboards. He got himself lynched and turned out to be plain old vanilla town, but IIRC he said/did alot of scummy stuff and even the town players said he deserved it. Whether or not that's SOP for him, I don't know though.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 21:34:40 GMT -5
Dirx, you might want to think about putting the word out over at Giraffe if you're still trying to sub out. I had the post all written, but decided that if I or your sub get's scrutinized later, that could come into play.
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Post by mahaloth on Apr 30, 2009 22:00:20 GMT -5
Joey, why don't you pm or email Dirx your idea about finding a sub. He might not even be looking here at all.
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Post by joeyp on Apr 30, 2009 22:43:42 GMT -5
I just PM'd Total Ulla at giraffeboards and asked her to put the word out.
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Post by mahaloth on May 1, 2009 8:22:46 GMT -5
If you're bored take a look through the Alpha Centuri game at Giraffeboards. He got himself lynched and turned out to be plain old vanilla town, but IIRC he said/did alot of scummy stuff and even the town players said he deserved it. Whether or not that's SOP for him, I don't know though. Yeah, he seems to make some pretty bold and false statements. He just blamed AngelOfNorth of trying to set a precedent of editing when he accidentally edited his early post. It's good for us, though. I think specialed can stir some confusion among the townies. We can just let him cause his whirpool of destruction and enjoy.
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Post by joeyp on May 1, 2009 8:51:38 GMT -5
That's what he did in the game I was in with him. Just sort of self destructed. Granted it was Day 7, but still.
Also, Ulla has agreed to put the word out about Dirx trying to get out of the game.
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Post by joeyp on May 1, 2009 10:31:48 GMT -5
As you can see, Ed has made 5 posts over Angel editing a post. I agree, his point is valid, but with everyone else saying it's not a big deal, he should probably let it go. If Angel ever get's confirmed as town (through death), everyone will look at that and talk about how scummy it was to make such a big deal over something so small. But again I do agree, editing is bad.
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Post by mahaloth on May 1, 2009 10:49:15 GMT -5
In fact, if Angel survives the Day, might he be a candidate for us killing toNight, thus proving his towniness and putting more attention on specialed?
Looks like it will be just you and me for Night One, Joey. We'll have to communicate a fair amount about who we want to kill.
I assume I am making the kill on Night One, by the way. I don't have to, but I'm willing.
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Post by joeyp on May 1, 2009 10:54:16 GMT -5
Yes, you should. That way I can investigate someone. My PM said that it will tell me if the person is sinful or pure, it doesn't seem like that's much to go on though.
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Post by mahaloth on May 1, 2009 11:04:10 GMT -5
Yes, you should. That way I can investigate someone. My PM said that it will tell me if the person is sinful or pure, it doesn't seem like that's much to go on though. Good point. We, as Blackhearts, are against both pure and sinful, so it doesn't really impact us much. It might be useful later in the game if we do need to target by sinfulness/purity, though. I'll create a thread for Night One once it approaches. Not totally necessary early on, but when our third scum joins us, communication will be between more than just the two of us and they may need to re-read Day One and Night One discussions to catch up.
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Post by joeyp on May 1, 2009 12:00:18 GMT -5
My thoughts are to use NK on people knowen (when possible) to be sinners. All else being equal, they can recruit, so it might help if we can keep their numbers down. I still wonder if they can talk off board or even know who they others are.
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Post by mahaloth on May 1, 2009 12:52:12 GMT -5
My thoughts are to use NK on people knowen (when possible) to be sinners. All else being equal, they can recruit, so it might help if we can keep their numbers down. I still wonder if they can talk off board or even know who they others are. My best guess is that they do not know who each other are. One, that's how it was done with townie faction in The Split game. Two, it gives them a smaller pool to guess the real scum out of(us), which seems a bit unfair.
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Post by joeyp on May 1, 2009 12:57:59 GMT -5
In that case, my point is made even stronger. I'll investigate if I turn up a sinner, we'll NK them (assuming there isn't anyone else we want to kill instead, which we probably will later when we can start figuring out some power roles). The people that turn up pure, we'll have to watch to make sure they don't become sinners, but in the mean time we can NK others and not really worry about them. Again, assuming there isn't some other reason to want to NK them.
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Post by mahaloth on May 1, 2009 13:42:33 GMT -5
In that case, my point is made even stronger. I'll investigate if I turn up a sinner, we'll NK them (assuming there isn't anyone else we want to kill instead, which we probably will later when we can start figuring out some power roles). The people that turn up pure, we'll have to watch to make sure they don't become sinners, but in the mean time we can NK others and not really worry about them. Again, assuming there isn't some other reason to want to NK them. When you investigate, when do you get your answer? The morning of the next Day, or during the current Night?
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