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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 6:14:55 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 26, 2009 6:14:55 GMT -5
my post would look like this: I was backreading a bit and I noticed something that got me thinking. Hoopy suggests that the trophy gun still might be an extra nightkill here: Hoopy's crazy-ass mechanical guess #34: What if the thing that killed Charizard last night works like an opposite of Solid Snake. Instead of charging down when it's mentioned, it charges up. And it gets used when it hits a certain level. Either that, or it seems to only come out on even-numbered nights. I still think it provides an extra kill for SCUM. I thought it might be something to bypass protections, but if roxis is being truthful, clearly it didn't bypass her protection. So I was thinking, if it is an extra nightkill then what happened to the scum's regular one? My theory: They (scum) designated KidV to do the NK and since I put him to sleep he was unable to do so. Roxis blocked the trophy one, so that is why nobody died. Go for it.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 7:23:32 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 26, 2009 7:23:32 GMT -5
Alright. It is posted. Hopefully some town will jump on the bandwagon and we won't have to resort to all switching in the last minute.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 13:49:19 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 26, 2009 13:49:19 GMT -5
I'm vaguely amazed no one is answering Paul. The answer Paul is that while "scum would never do that" is a stupid argument, there are some things that scum wouldn't actually do. And claiming to be half of a lover pair when they're not but some other scum is is definately one of those things. It's just stupid, with no upside to it whatsoever. Assume I'm lying. They lynch me, Natlaw lives and I'm revealed to be someone other than Sheik. Tomorrow they lynch Natlaw, and just got a 2 for 1. And all this is for what exactly? To keep me alive another Day? Maybe? Just stupid.
Please, let more people buy into the don't lynch Peeker thing. I will love you all forever. One or two more random throwaways on KidV and we can pull off our plan np.
Can I request a vote count in advance? I'd like one to be posted at 7:45 pm est on Friday, exactly 15 minutes before the deadline.[/color]
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 13:51:35 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 26, 2009 13:51:35 GMT -5
Also, if we go ahead with this, everyone needs to have the vote thing prepared in advance. I would suggest the following.
1. Vote KidV 2. Vote Hoopy Frood 3. Vote Roxis[/color]
Copy and paste the coding and be ready.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 13:53:18 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 26, 2009 13:53:18 GMT -5
That one is for me obviously, and anyone else that hasn't full voted yet. For everyone that has a vote out there already, use the following.
Unvote all 1. Vote KidV 2. Vote Hoopy Frood 3. Vote Roxis[/color]
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 14:06:34 GMT -5
Post by pede on Feb 26, 2009 14:06:34 GMT -5
Note: if either Peeker or Natlaw has more than thirteen votes, we can't lynch KidV. If either has more than seventeen, we can't lynch Paul either. If that's the case, we drop the plan instantly. Pede, we're a few timezones away from each other here. I'm in GMT for example. Can you please confirm when the day will end, assuming no countdown, and also the timezone that you're referring to (eg EST)?8:00 PM Tomorrow EST.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 14:07:23 GMT -5
Post by pede on Feb 26, 2009 14:07:23 GMT -5
Another question. Assuming that there are five scum and five town at the start of tomorrow, and Paul is dead and so cannot put extra votes on a scummy player, do we win?If there are five scum and five town alive, no, you guys won't have won yet.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 14:11:33 GMT -5
Post by pede on Feb 26, 2009 14:11:33 GMT -5
I'm vaguely amazed no one is answering Paul. The answer Paul is that while "scum would never do that" is a stupid argument, there are some things that scum wouldn't actually do. And claiming to be half of a lover pair when they're not but some other scum is is definately one of those things. It's just stupid, with no upside to it whatsoever. Assume I'm lying. They lynch me, Natlaw lives and I'm revealed to be someone other than Sheik. Tomorrow they lynch Natlaw, and just got a 2 for 1. And all this is for what exactly? To keep me alive another Day? Maybe? Just stupid. Please, let more people buy into the don't lynch Peeker thing. I will love you all forever. One or two more random throwaways on KidV and we can pull off our plan np. Can I request a vote count in advance? I'd like one to be posted at 7:45 pm est on Friday, exactly 15 minutes before the deadline.[/color][/quote] Can do.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 14:18:41 GMT -5
Post by pede on Feb 26, 2009 14:18:41 GMT -5
He broke a rule. He will be punished. He will not be modkilled. And I am no help. Get away from me quick. Also, pede thanks for the game, but.... If you and the rest of the Ogs want to keep changing the rules to achieve a desired result you should just let us know. No edit means no edit. Trophify is not a kill, oh whoops yes it is. Seriously, if you guys want town to win regardless make us the defenders of the Alamo and say you die no matter what. It's kind of tough to play this with a straight face when the feel good conclusion has already been ordained. Having vented, you scummers are the best, we just got fucked on some "rules clarifications". But unless the Ogs continue to chop away we still have a chance. ...what? I never said I would modkill someone automatically for an edit. You may have inferred it, but that's not what I said. And the trophyfy was always a kill. The only difference, as I have repeatedly reiterated, is color. And for that matter, you guys definitely came out ahead on the 'rules clarifications', or lack thereof. Remember, the original intention was for Salad's dirt naps to be self-protect only. I could have clarified to the original intent, but that would be dishonest. So I didn't. Paulwhoisaghost is currently posting through someone who had no clarification of the rules, and edited in order to append a quote that was perfectly benign. I did not think the appropriate punishment-- and there was a punishment--was a modkill. Now, if a player who clearly knew about the rules on editing was to edit a post specifically to frame another player and hide their own slip, that would have a modkill as suitable punishment. See the difference? All I'm doing is taking circumstances into account when enforcing the rules--especially since I'm not as good a moderator as I could be. I don't want to punish people for non-game related mistakes, or for my own mistakes. It's not favoritism.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 18:36:18 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 26, 2009 18:36:18 GMT -5
OK... can everyone get online 45 minutes or so before the deadline? That gives us a good 40 minutes to decide on what to do before we do whatever it is we're doing.
You guys realise that if we do this thing, it'll effectively give away the identities of four of the five remaining scum? It would be a pure numbers game from thereon in. The good thing about that, of course, is that the one remaining one can pretty much take charge. I was thinking of insisting on Natlaw protecting Roxis. And of course I'd be protecting myself. (Not, for example, killing someone. Nope. No way.)
BTW, I'm kinda tempted to bet Roxis one nice cold drink of her choice that a townie won't be lynched today (unfortunately I see myself losing this bet and having to buy her something delicious tonight.) Of course, any ill-effects from drinking would not be stopped by a power like Natlaw's. What do you think?
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 18:50:43 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 26, 2009 18:50:43 GMT -5
No, absolutely not. That just REEKS of PIS. I'm not worried about Roxis. I'll take her out if necessary.
I know exactly what's going to happen. But we only try it if we are sure we can pull it off. That's why I asked for the late vount count.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 18:52:05 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 26, 2009 18:52:05 GMT -5
Plans, plans, plans.
Let's take scenario 1: You guys pile KidV. He gets fourteen votes, plus whatever's left from the townies. (Which looks like a few votes right now.)
That leaves:
1. paulwhoisaghost (hammer) 2. crazypunker 3. Hoopy Frood (vanilla) 4. Kat 6. Natlaw (protector) 7. molefan 8. Nanook 9. Parzival (role augmentor) 10. Pollux Oil (historical role revealer) 11. roxis (vig) 12. peek 13. shaggy (vanilla)
OK, we try and kill two townies - let's say Shaggy (because he's unlikely to be protected) and Paul - but Paul is protected.
QUESTION 1: Can we kill Paul even if he is protected? Nanook, will your power stretch to this? Once it becomes a numbers game, he becomes by far the most dangerous power role to us because he can add votes onto any scum once he knows who they are.
Also, Kat redirects someone like Peeker with someone like Hoopy. If Paul's power kicks in and Hoopy gets extra votes, we have an easy win right there. We just all throw our votes on Hoopy the next day and we're down to four town, five scum.
Assuming this doesn't happen:
Best case scenario:
2. crazypunker 3. Hoopy Frood (vanilla) 4. Kat 6. Natlaw (protector) 7. molefan 8. Nanook 9. Parzival (role augmentor) 10. Pollux Oil (historical role revealer) 11. roxis (vig) 12. peek
OK that leaves us with five scum, four of whom are effectively outed, and five human roles. I'll have two Pikmin at that point, three by the following night.
- I claim that I either self-protected or investigated. Hell, I can even ask the townies what their opinion is about what I should do.
This is where it gets tricky. We'll have to divide the town vote to stand a chance of lynching one of them, unless Paul's power has hit a townie and put extra votes on them. I could be the ace in the hole there, if they think that I'm one of them. I don't know whether they'll fall for the same trick twice.
If they do, we've got 'em.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 18:53:24 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 26, 2009 18:53:24 GMT -5
No, absolutely not. That just REEKS of PIS. I'm not worried about Roxis. I'll take her out if necessary. I know exactly what's going to happen. But we only try it if we are sure we can pull it off. That's why I asked for the late vount count. I agree about PIS, but taking her out won't solve the problem. We need her asleep if we're going to block her vig power, and for that we need her to drink. Ah, hell, I'll think of something. I usually do.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 18:57:50 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 26, 2009 18:57:50 GMT -5
Plans, plans, plans.
Let's take scenario 2: You guys pile Paul. He gets fifteen votes.
That leaves:
1. KidV (backup hammer) 2. crazypunker 3. Hoopy Frood (vanilla) 4. Kat 6. Natlaw (protector) 7. molefan 8. Nanook 9. Parzival (role augmentor) 10. Pollux Oil (historical role revealer) 11. roxis (vig) 12. peek 13. shaggy (vanilla)
OK, we try and kill two townies - let's say Shaggy (because he's unlikely to be protected) and KidV or Roxis.
Best case scenario:
2. crazypunker 3. Hoopy Frood (vanilla) 4. Kat 6. Natlaw (protector) 7. molefan 8. Nanook 9. Parzival (role augmentor) 10. Pollux Oil (historical role revealer) 11. roxis (vig) OR KidV (backup hammer) 12. peek
OK that leaves us with five scum, four of whom are effectively outed, and five human roles. I'll have two Pikmin at that point, three by the following night.
- I claim that I either self-protected or investigated. Hell, I can even ask the townies what their opinion is about what I should do.
Question: which scenario is better: the Paul lynch or the KidV one? What could come back to bite us? What aspects of people's roles could ruin this? Etc...
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 19:05:16 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 26, 2009 19:05:16 GMT -5
Why second vote Hoopy Frood and Roxis? If we can get enough nonscum onto KidV we could vote the more suspicious Townies (and some of us actually keep a 3rd vote on a scum, maybe) and someone might be able to wiggle out of suspicion.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 19:22:29 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 26, 2009 19:22:29 GMT -5
If you'd rather substitue someone else, that's fine. Just no votes on actual scum. That's the important point. I'm not taking any chances on the town being able to dogpile right back and ruin us.
Who do we think we're more likely to get to drink? Paul's power is the wild card, but if we dogpile him, KidV will end up with it. Whichever one gets piled on, the other needs to get put to sleep.
Roxis's switch is a Day power no? It seems likely she's going to go with the switch option, so she's irrelevent in terms of powers Tonight. We can just kill her overNight and not have to worry about the Vig part.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 19:45:48 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 26, 2009 19:45:48 GMT -5
pede, I'll give you a pony if you fix my coding in the game thread.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 20:59:32 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 26, 2009 20:59:32 GMT -5
I will be there for the end of the day. My vote is on KidV already, but I guess if we switch to paul I will need to be ready.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 21:37:36 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 26, 2009 21:37:36 GMT -5
A quick word of warning. If you pile on KidV too early, it'll be obvious what's happening. Let's not make it obvious. I also don't want to look like the person who instigated this, and I will if it's obvious that I'm a player and not just someone whose naivety was taken advantage of.
Wait for tomorrow.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 22:19:11 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 26, 2009 22:19:11 GMT -5
Kidv needs to go. Let's see what happens. My vote post is going up at 6:55 cst and not a second earlier. But if we are changing targets let me know. I will only have about a half hour to fet ready.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 22:23:46 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 26, 2009 22:23:46 GMT -5
I agree. I would rather get KidV. I have my vote because I wanted town to jump on, but everyone who doesn't have KidV already should wait until the last second.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 22:31:44 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 26, 2009 22:31:44 GMT -5
I plan to put mine up around 5 minutes before the deadline. But make sure you're on 15-20 before, so that we can be sure we're going to do this. That's why i asked for the late vote count.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 23:36:31 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 26, 2009 23:36:31 GMT -5
I had to get on KidV. He gave me the perfect opportunity.
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 17:06:14 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 27, 2009 17:06:14 GMT -5
I think we're going to have to go for Paul. Of course, if we do, it'll be obvious that everyone who piles on him is scum. What I really like about going after Paul is that KidV started the vote against him in the first place. If we can do this with just three of us though, I think Punker and I should sit out.
(Hell, whatever we do, I should sit out. the likelihood of us needing twelve votes - with three automatically on Paul anyway - is minimal. If we're turning this into a numbers game, there's no point in showing the townies how many of us there are. Let them think that it'll be a six-vs-four matchup. If we can get Punker out as well though, it'll really, really implicate KidV. That'll be pretty damn sweet, especially if we can get him asleep tonight.)
I'm going to see if I can sow a little confusion by questioning the Nanook lynch. If I can get one or two people to switch, it might mean that less of us have to pile on Paul or KidV.
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 17:07:02 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 27, 2009 17:07:02 GMT -5
Actually, I might want to take back that thing about Paul... Natlaw has just voted KidV. Suspicion-wise, I think KidV would be a better target anyways.
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 17:07:55 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 27, 2009 17:07:55 GMT -5
Parzival's just said that I'm the worst possible target for a vig. Sweet as.
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 17:27:06 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 27, 2009 17:27:06 GMT -5
OK, one more thing. I'm going to be online constantly between now and the deadline, and I'll keep watching this thread. Let's use it as much as possible guys.
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 18:04:56 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 27, 2009 18:04:56 GMT -5
Based on raw numbers it has to be kidv. Unless everyone flops to Paul at the last second. At least we have a little credibility in that two of us are already on Kid.
I will be traveling home in a bit and will be off line until I get home. Typing and driving at the same time are contraindicated. Also, since I am on my BB I can only have one session going at a time. I will check back here at 6:45 to make sure nothing has changed. and then i am going to the main thread and make sure i have my post ready and double checked since i do make coding errors on the bb frequently. i don't want to hose this up because of a wrong color or something.
my vote
unvote all 1. Vote KidV 2. Vote Hoopy 3. Vote Roxis
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 18:05:43 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 27, 2009 18:05:43 GMT -5
I may even post it here to make sure the coding is right and see if I can do a copy and paste.
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Day 5
Feb 27, 2009 18:54:23 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 27, 2009 18:54:23 GMT -5
Based on raw numbers it has to be kidv. Unless everyone flops to Paul at the last second. At least we have a little credibility in that two of us are already on Kid. I will be traveling home in a bit and will be off line until I get home. Typing and driving at the same time are contraindicated. Also, since I am on my BB I can only have one session going at a time. I will check back here at 6:45 to make sure nothing has changed. and then i am going to the main thread and make sure i have my post ready and double checked since i do make coding errors on the bb frequently. i don't want to hose this up because of a wrong color or something. my vote unvote all1. Vote KidV 2. Vote Hoopy 3. Vote RoxisHmmmm... on the one hand, I think this gives you away as scum, instantly. The same goes for anyone who votes the same way (and if we're taking out KidV, it should be Punker, since everyone's going to assume he's scum once KidV turns up town. And Nanook, obviously.) On the other hand, I really don't think it matters at this point. If they think it's six-four and think I'm on their side, they'll assume Lylo is one round further away than it actually is. That gives us a huge advantage, provided we can get in two night kills. And hey... there are two protective roles left, and the only one other than me claims to be going to target me tonight. Five-five. Pedescribe, what exactly is the process for a tied vote? For example, say there's five scum and five townies left. All scum vote someone for their top vote - let's say for example, Pollux. All town vote someone else - let's say, Punker. All second and third votes are immaterial.
So both Punker and Pollux end up with fifteen votes in this scenario. Neither side is going to budge. What happens next?(That's assuming all the remaining people other than us are townies of course... if one of them is PFK, it makes things that much easier.)
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