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Day 5
Feb 24, 2009 23:28:58 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 24, 2009 23:28:58 GMT -5
I claimed. Anyone who wants to critique my intended target claims (Night 4, page 2), speak now, or forever hold your peas.
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Day 5
Feb 24, 2009 23:44:39 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 24, 2009 23:44:39 GMT -5
someone can quote my role PM and propose the idea that if the trophy gun is the extra nightkill then the regular one could have been blocked by me putting KidV to sleep. OK, I'll do it tomorrow, if you don't mind after your intervention with Pollux. I'm seriously thinking of calling "bullshit" on the case against Punker (which shouldn't be too hard, there really isn't much of one, and it was started by three complete unconfirmeds in the first place.) How the hell to handle the Peeker situation, though, escapes me. Any ideas, please post 'em.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 0:06:17 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 25, 2009 0:06:17 GMT -5
tomorrow is fine. I don't know what my "intervention with pollux" is though...
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 0:38:13 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 0:38:13 GMT -5
tomorrow is fine. I don't know what my "intervention with pollux" is though... Sorry, thought you were Kat. And this is why I'm not doing it tonight...
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 11:30:07 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 25, 2009 11:30:07 GMT -5
All due respect Pede, but this is crap. You clearly state no editing in the rules. And no it's not because he's on the opposite side of me. You've been changing the rules on the fly all game, and that's not fair to anyone in the game. I've been modkilled for editing before, and it sucks, but that's the rules and I didn't ultimately have an issue with it. (For the record, my edit was a brain fart instant coding fix, just wasn't thinking when I did it.)
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 16:56:17 GMT -5
Post by pede on Feb 25, 2009 16:56:17 GMT -5
He broke a rule. He will be punished. He will not be modkilled.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 17:38:31 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 17:38:31 GMT -5
Nanook - calm down a bit. Hell, I've made the "editing" mistake before, and I wasn't modkilled for it. I've never seen Paul play here before to my knowledge.
Anybody have any ideas what the heck to do about Peeker? I don't at this point want to defend him (unlike Punker) but I don't want to bus him either. Suggestions on a postcard plz!
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 18:59:40 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 25, 2009 18:59:40 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to be posting the requested target list in the gamethread in about 10 minutes.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:23:16 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 25, 2009 20:23:16 GMT -5
He broke a rule. He will be punished. He will not be modkilled. And I am no help. Get away from me quick. Also, pede thanks for the game, but.... If you and the rest of the Ogs want to keep changing the rules to achieve a desired result you should just let us know. No edit means no edit. Trophify is not a kill, oh whoops yes it is. Seriously, if you guys want town to win regardless make us the defenders of the Alamo and say you die no matter what. It's kind of tough to play this with a straight face when the feel good conclusion has already been ordained. Having vented, you scummers are the best, we just got fucked on some "rules clarifications". But unless the Ogs continue to chop away we still have a chance.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:28:04 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 20:28:04 GMT -5
OK at this point I gotta post. So here's an idea.
We divide our votes equally between Peeker and Natlaw. Note that I've already voted KidV, and hopefully he'll have a few second-place votes on him.
Then we wait until night is almost there, and at that point every single one of us except me moves their three-vote to KidVermicious.
This has to be done fast, quick, and within minutes of the votes closing, otherwise it won't work. KidV gets iced, we take out two random townies at night, and we've won. Nanook and I can do the kills. They won't roleblock me and they probably can't roleblock Nanook. All we have to make certain of is that we don't target people who are protected.
Here's what I'm thinking of posting in the meantime (and if it gets a few votes on me, all the better):
W-o-w.
OK, here we go. Let's start with Peeker, who's just replaced KidV as my new fave "unconfirmed" suspect. (At this point I'm regarding Nanook as pretty much confirmed.) Three people have brought up the topic of Zelda somewhat surreptitiously. Two of them are confirmed scum, the third is Peeker. When he did it, it didn't look as though he were just questioning the others about what they were up to. He's never provided a satisfactory answer to this.
Peek, I gotta ask, have you given up? Because that's what it looks like.
Secondly, the KidV / Punker situation. I think it very likely that one of these two is scum, but given how hard they've been at each others' throats, it's extremely unlikely that both are. The KidV bandwagon was started by myself. Not a single one of my suspects joined it or suggested it could be correct until almost a week later, real-time. The Punker bandwagon, on the other hand, is based upon one uncredited copied piece of vote reasoning, a few bits of phrasing, and not a lot else. It was started by three total unconfirmeds, two of whom (KidV and Pollux) are big suspects to me right now, and the third (Paul) had every right to be angry at Punker for the vote thing. As regards their roles, I don't see anything preventing either from being scum, although this is the one piece of evidence where I'd give the townie edge to KidV for claiming early. All the same, I think it's obvious where my suspicions lie here.
Next, Pollux and Kat. This is a tough one, because there are strong points in both of their favour, yet I think one or the other of them is very likely to be scum. The first point in Pollux's favour is, of course, the fact that it's very difficult to fake PMs like the ones he claims to have received. The second point in Pollux's favour is the construction of the first PM he posted, stating that the mods had given up the idea of a scum doc. I can't see why he'd do this if he were scum. In Kat's favour, the fact that she couldn't switch Nanook. Both myself and Parzival, who at this point I think is very unlikely to be scum, can confirm that night actions directed at Nanook failed at that time. Again, I don't see why Kat would go ahead and claim this if she and Nanook were scum together. Then again, even if the scum knew for certain that someone else had visited Nanook, why wait for them to bring up the subject and risk looking like you're copying them? Kat's actions that day suggest that she's telling the truth.
My problem with Pollux is that the more I read over the details of his role, the more it screams "milkman" (which, for those of you who don't know, is a ridiculously elaborate fake role created by a player called Roosh who was scum in the "Mafia: Apocalypse" game that played here a while ago.) My second problem is that he's given us very little up until now, at which point all the roles have been outed. What if the scum have some way of confirming a role or roles that aren't in the game? Has anybody considered this?
And for my benefit, what exactly happened with that staff that was given to TDPats? There's no mention of it in the subsequent night thread, and then he winds up dead. I can't find any other reference to it.
As for Kat, Paul has suggested the scum have a role-redirector. I'm inclined to believe this, unless someone can suggest a better explanation for Paul's shot being redirected onto Parzival. Kat, at this point, is the only claimed redirector in the game. It seems odd that she'd claim her actual scum role when people have specifically noted scummy redirections though. Again, I can't see her doing this as scum.
So that leaves the five scum as: Ed. Nanook. Peeker. KidV / CrazyPunker. Kat / Pollux.
A couple of other points:
1) Given my suspicions of KidV, I'm disinclined to lynch Natlaw. I'd rather leave Natlaw alive to use his power himself, in which case we can't lynch Nanook. Regardless of confirming anyone (and I think it's quite likely KidV is telling the truth about his role here) I really don't want to be depending on the hypothetical doc power of someone I think is a top scum suspect.
2) On the slim change Peeker isn't scum (in which case I'd put him down as some sort of Jester-type character), my next suspect would be Paul, since I don't think it's likely Kat and Pollux, or KidV and Crazy, are scum together. If Paul isn't scum, it's gotta be Shaggy or Parzival; but if it comes down to them, we're probably dead anyways.
3) I'm not ruling out another third-party role of the non-win-condition-changing variety (like Sachertorte's). Has this actually been confirmed by Pedescribe? If so, could someone quote where for my benefit?
4) I should quickly run through the others: Roxis and Hoopy, if they're scum, have won, since there's no way I'm going to lynch them and I can't see anyone else doing so at this point. I'm also pretty confident about Parzival after last night, and Natlaw. Shaggy is technically not cleared, but if he's scum after what happened to Blockey, I'd like to know why his actual role name was quoted in a public post. There's enough reasons to suppose that his role is actually a town one to satisfy me that he's not worth lynching.
OK, enough talk, let's get to the votes. I'm going to leave the Pollux / Kat situation aside for the moment since I can't choose between them given the information that I have. So here's how I'd divide it:
Vote 1 (three votes): Peekerpca. Vote 2 (two votes): Kid Vermicious. Vote 3 (one vote): Molefan1981.
First of all, IF YOU CAN MAKE IT ONLINE RIGHT AT NIGHTFALL, PLEASE CONFIRM HERE. There can't be any mistakes, there are only five of us and eight townies. If even one person fails to post (always allowing that KidV'll hopefully have my two and several other votes on him) then that could blow the whole thing and out all of you. (Of course, I voted KidV much earlier, so I'm not exposed... but I'd rather not be the sole hope for a scum win TYVM!)
Second of all, do you guys agree that this is a good idea?
Third of all, if so, how do we divide the votes between Peeker and Natlaw so that we can make sure the vote is evenly split?
PS - possible secondary scenario - we all add our votes to Paul instead. It's more certain of succeeding, since he'll have three votes already plus whatever throwaways there are. Unfortunately, there's no way that could fail to out all of us... so if we miss either target at night, we're done for. That's a helluva chance to take.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:32:45 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 20:32:45 GMT -5
Note: if either Peeker or Natlaw has more than thirteen votes, we can't lynch KidV. If either has more than seventeen, we can't lynch Paul either. If that's the case, we drop the plan instantly.
Pede, we're a few timezones away from each other here. I'm in GMT for example. Can you please confirm when the day will end, assuming no countdown, and also the timezone that you're referring to (eg EST)?
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:36:33 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 20:36:33 GMT -5
Another question. Assuming that there are five scum and five town at the start of tomorrow, and Paul is dead and so cannot put extra votes on a scummy player, do we win?
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:38:40 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 25, 2009 20:38:40 GMT -5
Nanook - calm down a bit. Hell, I've made the "editing" mistake before, and I wasn't modkilled for it. I've never seen Paul play here before to my knowledge. Anybody have any ideas what the heck to do about Peeker? I don't at this point want to defend him (unlike Punker) but I don't want to bus him either. Suggestions on a postcard plz! And all knowing and powerful ruler of Rome I hear you. But this lattitude is typically not extended this deep into a game. I've made the analogy before. When I am playing golf woth my kids for a soda on the first hole there is a lot oif wiggle room. When I am sitting on hole 72 for the city championship the fact that my opponent misses a putt that they normally would make I don't expect a rules official to come in and say something along the lines of a bug flew in their eye and they normally make that putt so let's take this to a play off. That is total BS. Either their are rules or there are not. By giving dispensation to paul, pede has given us all the ability to edit our posts. Personally, I am going back and removing my reference to Zelda. Big mistake, but now I can make it go away. And I can't get modkilled unless the deck is even more stacked than I think it is.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:46:14 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 25, 2009 20:46:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't do anything like that. The town will know which post you edited and they will guess why.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:53:35 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 20:53:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't do anything like that. The town will know which post you edited and they will guess why. GUYS, READ MY LONG POST. At least read the parts that aren't in brown.
CAN YOU MAKE IT AND DO YOU AGREE WITH THE PLAN, AS PROPOSED, IF PEDE CONFIRMS IT WILL GET US THE WIN IF IT GOES THROUGH OK?
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 20:59:33 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 25, 2009 20:59:33 GMT -5
I don't know if we should. All it would take is 1 missed nightkill and we would be done for. It is pretty risky. I will do it if everyone agrees though. We can use Sheik for a guaranteed kill, but Olimar's kill might be blocked. We will have to choose our targets carefully.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 21:03:55 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 25, 2009 21:03:55 GMT -5
Per the posts in the game thread by pede, the Day will end Friday at 8 PM EST (that's 7 PM CST, 5 PM PST, I don't know any other timezomes off the top of my head).
As far as I currently know, I should be able to be here then. If we posivitely win with the 5/5, I'm inclined to say go for it.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 21:07:15 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 25, 2009 21:07:15 GMT -5
I guess I am for the plan too. I was thinking that it doesn't really matter who we target. We can kill Ghost boy with Sheik and whoever we want with olimar. I am sure that there are a few people who will be completely unprotected.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 21:08:24 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 21:08:24 GMT -5
I don't know if we should. All it would take is 1 missed nightkill and we would be done for. It is pretty risky. I will do it if everyone agrees though. We can use Sheik for a guaranteed kill, but Olimar's kill might be blocked. We will have to choose our targets carefully. First, if we can get on KidV, I can't be blocked. Second, if we can get Natlaw to drink, we can use "sleep" on him again. Third, if we can lynch Paul, and can get KidV to drink, we can use "sleep" on him instead. (That's probably the best option, come to think of it.) Fourth, we still have a role-redirector, and we know all the town roles. Fifthly, if all goes titsup, but we've got KidV out of the way and the townies believe there are only five scum, we can get rid of all of you and leave them scratching their heads as to why they haven't won yet. (Note: not desired outcome, but a possibility if this goes wrong.)
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 21:57:07 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 25, 2009 21:57:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't do anything like that. The town will know which post you edited and they will guess why. Ah, my friend. I indicate which post I will edit, but it will be a much different post with much more shall, we say, meaningful conclusions. Since town can edit their posts I suggest we take the most harmful posts that we can find and be prepared to edit them at will. Apparently it is not a death sentence for the town and therefore can not be for scum, ipso fucto it can't be one fore us. I'd suggest taking something innocuous and burrying it in there so that it's like "oops". I'd be looking over all your poats in this game and be prepared to edit at will. Also, if one is cool then who is too say that more than one would not be alright as well. I am going to see what I can pull up tomorrow and may very well edit every one of the bastards. That would be a hoot. We could just edit the heck out of everything and make this a soup of confusion purposes. Hey, if the Ogs are going to allow it why the hey not. It does not mean that we have to take it as a town spin. Matter of fact this can help us as we change our posts on the fly depending on the reads.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 22:08:55 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 25, 2009 22:08:55 GMT -5
And, woot woot. I don't know how it works but would really like to see. If someone quotes me about a person and then I edit that person does that change the person. OMG could that be a liar situation. Indicate someone, let it be quoted, change the initial post and then bang that person for a mis quote.
As you can tell Pede I am a bit irritated.
If you are going to play it straight, do so. If you have a foregone conclusion let us know that you are going to game the game.
Sheesh.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 22:12:58 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Feb 25, 2009 22:12:58 GMT -5
Bollocks, I don't think this will work. Roxis has a vig power.
So if we leave Paul alive, we have a vig to contend with, and if we kill Roxis, Paul can hit us with the vote hammer. Ugh.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 22:18:45 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 25, 2009 22:18:45 GMT -5
And Guys/gals I am down with the plan. And I am nit suggesting a whole hearted re-alignment posting FCS. But if there are some previous posts that need a little "tidying" up now is the time to do so so since we have free reign. And we get to use pede as the ability to do so, since there is no way he can stop us.
Watch this one.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 22:40:42 GMT -5
Post by kat on Feb 25, 2009 22:40:42 GMT -5
I would advise against it. People will metagame it as scummy, childish or both.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 23:03:30 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 25, 2009 23:03:30 GMT -5
I know. I am just being a little childish. It just seems that as the game goes on that the Ogs are gaming it. I would never even come close to changing a post. Holy crud. I also would never ever suggest that the rules need to change.
Just frustration barb, is all. The rules keep changing and that don't seem fair. You know me. Even if my opponent concedes him or her self six footers I am going to keep putting the three footers. Just the way I am made.
It just seems pre preordained, is all.
I am being a smart ass. I would no more edit a made post than anything. And we also have to realize that paul is off with a surrogate playing his part.
having said that I don't expect that our opponents will take a day off tomorrow just because I have two days of sequestered strategic planning.
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Day 5
Feb 25, 2009 23:57:53 GMT -5
Post by nanook on Feb 25, 2009 23:57:53 GMT -5
We can discuss any rule changes after. Right now let's worry about winning.
I'm down with the plan. Pede already said we don't win at 5-5, but it doesn't matter. We can use the redirect and Olimar to force them to dogpile every day until we get a bonus kill in. I wouldn't have been here normally, but if we're going to do this I'll make it a point to do so. And man will they not see it coming at all.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 1:12:46 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 26, 2009 1:12:46 GMT -5
I say we post what I planned yesterday and see if that works first. If we can get them to vote off KidV without our help then we should try that first. No downside, right?
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 1:17:27 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 26, 2009 1:17:27 GMT -5
I will bring it up myself if nobody else will. I put sleep on KidV and that is why the scum didn't get the regular Nightkill.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 1:22:12 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Feb 26, 2009 1:22:12 GMT -5
my post would look like this: I was backreading a bit and I noticed something that got me thinking. Hoopy suggests that the trophy gun still might be an extra nightkill here: Hoopy's crazy-ass mechanical guess #34: What if the thing that killed Charizard last night works like an opposite of Solid Snake. Instead of charging down when it's mentioned, it charges up. And it gets used when it hits a certain level. Either that, or it seems to only come out on even-numbered nights. I still think it provides an extra kill for SCUM. I thought it might be something to bypass protections, but if roxis is being truthful, clearly it didn't bypass her protection. So I was thinking, if it is an extra nightkill then what happened to the scum's regular one? My theory: They (scum) designated KidV to do the NK and since I put him to sleep he was unable to do so. Roxis blocked the trophy one, so that is why nobody died.
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Day 5
Feb 26, 2009 4:59:43 GMT -5
Post by virginmary on Feb 26, 2009 4:59:43 GMT -5
I can be online at deadline time.
So, if I understand, we just pile on KidV at the last second. Sorry, but I am a wee slow on the uptake.
And is there any way that are crunchy leafy member could be a cool and refreshing lettuce wrap. I'm getting sick of the rabbit food and would appreciate something more substantial.
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