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Post by joeyp on May 25, 2009 15:53:17 GMT -5
Not sure, Peeker is convinced that Chronos is scum. He's mentioned it many many times. He's also convinced that Mahaloth is scum, but he's wrong on all other counts. If Chronos is the politician, my thought would be to leave him alone. On the one hand, I'd rather kill a power role, OTOH IIRC all the purchased votes have been wrong, might as well let him be wrong again. I'd say that I'd probably want Peeker or Meeko dead. Meeko is confirmed town, but frankly, he's god so little clue how to play the game, he's making our life a lot easier. I think my vote is for Meeko. As much as I'd like to keep him around...Peeker is convinced Chronos is scum, and our politician has been voting townies since Day 1.
And seriously, I'm gonna need some help if we do a mass claim, I'm completely unfamiliar with the book.
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 15:56:40 GMT -5
The Politician is confirmable, though. We need to kill off all confirmable townies.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 16:00:09 GMT -5
It's down to three, then:
Joey wants to kill Meeko
I want to kill Peeker
Rysto wants to kill Chronos
I see no harm in keeping Meeko alive. I am not sure what the big deal is about killing every confirmable townie. Why is that so important, Rysto?
I think killing peeker will look like a scum attempt to frame me, actually, which might not be too bad.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 16:00:45 GMT -5
Besides, hasn't Chronos been pretty helpful to us in the game?
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 16:09:12 GMT -5
I see no harm in keeping Meeko alive. I am not sure what the big deal is about killing every confirmable townie. Why is that so important, Rysto? Because the Town won't lynch confirmed Town. If we leave too many alive, we can't win at lynch or lose. We want as many unconfirmed as possible alive, because that gives the Town more candidates to lynch.
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Post by joeyp on May 25, 2009 17:22:25 GMT -5
How is the politician confirmable?
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 17:34:07 GMT -5
He predicts the identity of the player who gets bought.
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Post by joeyp on May 25, 2009 17:47:04 GMT -5
Ah, got it.
Have they ruled out scum being the politician?
Now, the next question...would you rather NK someone confirmable or confirmed?
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 17:51:11 GMT -5
Confirmed is slightly better. I'd be all for killing Meeko, but if we do I'm going to face some very uncomfortable questions about why I didn't protect him.
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Post by joeyp on May 25, 2009 17:53:46 GMT -5
WTF, Meeko started the mass claim.
My theory...Peeker is a mason, he'll post a fake vanilla PM, then Meeko will choose one of us to claim. If we post a similar PM, they'll know it's fake and we'll get called on it.
If Peeker doesn't plan to make his claim before dusk, I think we should NK him for sure.
I could be wrong, but something isn't right here.
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 17:58:58 GMT -5
Meeko's already said that he's the only remaining mason.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 18:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 18:17:31 GMT -5
Ah, Meeko.
Classic.
He starts calling everyone to claim two days early(remember, we have until Wed. this week).
I'd say let this play out. I have no idea who I'm going to kill, but we have a bit to think about it.
Ped, am I right that the next Day begins Wednesday at 3:00 PM EDT?
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Post by joeyp on May 25, 2009 18:24:19 GMT -5
Meeko's already said that he's the only remaining mason. IF* my theory is correct, he may have said he's the only remaining mason just so that him a remaining mason can play games like this. *IF, I said IF it's correct. I'm not saying it is. So, if Peeker doesn't claim until dusk, I say we kill him and protect Meeko. But we have a while before we have to worry about it. Let's see what Peeker does. Mahaloth, if you're going to be around close to Night end, you might want to wait as long as possible to put the kill order in.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 18:51:56 GMT -5
I agree with Joey and was thinking the same thing.
1. 100% Rysto should protect Meeko. Go ahead and put that order in now if you want.
2. I'm glad Meeko asked Peeker to claim first. We can watch what he does and we can probably kill him without it being to suspicious.
Meeko may not realize it, but he might have just killed Peeker.
I'm not totally convinced yet, but I'm leaning Peeker for death.
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 19:22:40 GMT -5
I really think that killing peeker would be a mistake. Most of the town seems ready to lynch him. I don't think that peeker is the breadcrumb dropper Meeko talked about: Meeko already said that he's not going to reveal him, didn't he?
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 20:03:05 GMT -5
I really think that killing peeker would be a mistake. Most of the town seems ready to lynch him. I don't think that peeker is the breadcrumb dropper Meeko talked about: Meeko already said that he's not going to reveal him, didn't he? Most of the town? Only I and Thing Fish voted him yesterday, I think. either Thing Fish or Inner Stickler, anyway.
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 20:10:51 GMT -5
Yes, but only because of the big move to Bear over his lurking. I didn't get the impression that anybody was convinced of his innocence.
Meeko, for one, is sounding like he really believes peeker to be scum.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 20:23:02 GMT -5
Are there any lurkers remaining, or is everyone else more or less active? I think peeker could very well be a candidate for lynching tomorrow if there is no one else to get in the way.
I just don't want peeker's attacks on me to catch fire. If all three of us can survive toMorrow, we should be looking good.
Let's put it like this, Rysto.
I'm willing to not kill peeker toNight AND kill Chronos toNight instead if we can do something different:
Let's come up with a relatively clear strategy for toMorrow that will give us the best odds for all three of us surviving toMorrow. We don't have to stick absolutely 100% to it if things change, but a clearer strategy instead of winging it is advised....we are in the end game now.
Thoughts?
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 20:55:19 GMT -5
The way that I see it, our best move toMorrow is to make the discussion all about peeker. We have Thing Fish and Mahaloth's vote already, and I think that Joey can get on that bandwagon without too much trouble going forward. Meeko sounds like he's already ready to lynch peeker. That's 4 out of 9 votes already. Convince one more townie to join you and we're done.
Meanwhile, I play toMorrow low-key. I vote for Mahaloth but I'm not vehement about it. If I let peeker take the lead in trying to drive a bandwagon, it'll go no where. Nobody's buying peeker's rants against you because they don't make any sense.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 21:07:28 GMT -5
Fine, but will you at least be sensible enough to not immediately vote for me at the start of the Day? Assume that peeker will vote for me within hours of the new Day beginning. I'll have voted for him early and this ends up forcing people to choose between me and him.
However, if you go and vote me right away, the band wagon may gang up on me. You should hold back your vote until late Day, and then make a decision about what to do later.
Does that make any sense to you? Remember, all three of us need to survive if at all possible.
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Post by rysto on May 25, 2009 21:23:48 GMT -5
I'm not going to vote for you right away. I don't want to totally commit myself. I need to know how the Town is going to react to my Doctor claim. If they are mistrustful of me I vote for you -- that alone might get paul to follow your vote. If, on the other hand, some people say that they're going to vote with the confirmed Townie, well, I'm certainly not going to put a vote your way in those circumstances.
I plan to be wishy-washy and unconvincing toMorrow.
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Post by mahaloth on May 25, 2009 21:32:07 GMT -5
Joey, what are you going to do toMorrow?
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Post by joeyp on May 25, 2009 22:36:29 GMT -5
Hmmm, well it looks like Meeko is convinced (As others are I think) that Peeker is scum. Peeker is convinced that Chronos is. If we play our cards right, I think those two might get themselves lynched. So, I'm confused. Another thing to think about. If Meeko get's NK'd, town may think it was one of those two (Read: don't get involved in that mess before dawn). ISTM that we are at the point of lynching someone that is confirmed and lynching someone that won't be confirmed until the Day after toMorrow. Now, of course, we have that pesky protection thing to think about. Rysto, if you protect him, would you let him know before dusk (or after dusk) that you are going to do it? Or even leave another breadcrumb? It would make you that much more 'confirmed'? So I'd guess I'd say NK either Chronos, or someone completely random, IS or Bill, but OTOH they aren't really stirring the pot here. I guess go with Chronos.
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Post by mahaloth on May 26, 2009 6:46:31 GMT -5
Bill i still in the game?
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Post by rysto on May 26, 2009 7:59:07 GMT -5
paul was subbed in for Bill.
We have to kill Chronos:
YesterDay, he assumed that a blackheart had never voted for another blackheart. Today he assumes that it's happened exactly once. He knows.
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Post by mahaloth on May 26, 2009 8:39:00 GMT -5
Will killing Chronos attract attention to his theory?
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Post by rysto on May 26, 2009 9:12:23 GMT -5
Better that his theory attracts attention than a confirmed Townie telling them that no blackheart voted for any other Days 1-3 and exactly one did it Day 4.
If he comes up as the Politician I'm hoping people won't realize that he his "theories" were actually facts.
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Post by joeyp on May 26, 2009 9:21:51 GMT -5
Sounds good. Kill him. Protect Meeko Investigate Thing Fish.
Okay, that's settled. What, EXACTLY are we doing with the claim situation.
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Post by mahaloth on May 26, 2009 9:25:59 GMT -5
Joey, we need to be prepared to have a vanilla town PM in case one of us is first. What can we do about this?
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