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Post by mahaloth on May 2, 2009 22:07:55 GMT -5
Making this now(Saturday, 5/2/09 at 11 PM).
Chat here after 12 Noon Sunday 5/3/09 to discuss the first nighttime kill. I'm making it now because I may not check in before Night One.
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 11:11:42 GMT -5
Who do we kill?
Who do we protect?
Who do we investigate?
I have no idea when we get the investigation results back, and it's probably at dusk, but I'm thinking we should put that request in ASAP. If we do get it back right away, it'll be nice to use to help us figure out who to NK.
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 11:14:17 GMT -5
My thoughts for the NK and investigation are Paul and Chronos, not sure which one for which, but the seem to be running the discussion.
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 11:48:13 GMT -5
Ok, nevermind the NK on Paul, I think that would draw suspicion.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 11:51:58 GMT -5
1. I suggest we kill someone who made a few points that were actually rather invalid regarding scum. This may throw them off about our rules/roles.
Of all the talkers in the game, who has made the most pointed statements that were wrong? By killing them, we take out someone that people will review carefully.
Sometimes, I've seen scum kill some random person who is not a major player. I'm not sure I like this idea, but am open to hearing an explanation of how it would work.
2. Investigate whomever you want, but I'm curious about Telconatr, Chronos, Paulwhoisaghost, and SpecialEd the most. Meeko is interesting as well.
3. Protect? Is there any reason to protect the non-scum? Fill me in. Otherwise, I'd say protect whomever is doing the kill, which is me for this Night.
Anyway, post some thoughts and responses and we can discuss this as we go.
I'd like to decide by Monday night, so I can do the kill Monday Night and not run out of time Tuesday morning.
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Post by rysto on May 3, 2009 11:57:54 GMT -5
Agreed. I'm not worried about his suspicions; he's just OMGUSing me. I'm leaning towards doing nothing to him whatsoever; the way he's going right now I think he's going to get himself lynched. I think that I'll continue to push him.
I would not be surprised if the Sinners tried to recruit Chronos soon, assuming that he's not already a Sinner. At the moment I don't think that he is: this is his first game, but Chronos strikes me as being a careful player, and I'm not sure if he'd have made that post about the potential for the Town to win with the Sinners if he was a Sinner. I might suggest waiting a couple of Days and then investigating him to see if he's been recruited.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 12:07:50 GMT -5
Rysto, what is OMGUS? I assume it means that the person is annoying and a pain, but that their bothersome nature may not reflect on their role/faction.
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Post by rysto on May 3, 2009 12:13:15 GMT -5
Oh My God U Suck
Basically, the only reason that paul is suspicious of me is because I attacked him and his ideas. We call that kind of vote an OMGUS vote, because the only reasoning behind it is "Oh My God U Suck".
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 12:26:30 GMT -5
Telcontor said:
unvote special ed vote O spurious george
I'm still more suspicious of special ed than george, especially since ed was contributing to the derailing of the discussion today, which effectively forces a choice between angel and george.
Wrong on three points (at least regarding scum), he would be a good NK candidate I think.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 12:46:37 GMT -5
In addition, joeyp, Telcontar is a dangerous player.
He's smart, logical, and in the Werewolf game, he really did some deep analysis that helped lead us townies to victory.
Telcontar is a good candidate for death.
Rysto...thoughts?
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 13:05:05 GMT -5
To expand on what was saying. I wanted to call him out for voting george in the same post that he stated he was more worried about ed. Why not vote ed? Because George was an easy lynch? That's scum talk right there. So anyways, he's worried about angel, and ed and voted for george (who is confirmed town). I think NKing him would put the suspicion on Angel and Ed even more so then it already is.
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Post by rysto on May 3, 2009 13:17:49 GMT -5
I'm a bit suspicious of trying to frame a player. In my experience the Town doesn't spend too much effort trying to guess why the scum killed a player. If the Town tries to draw wrong conclusions from a players death that's great, but I'd be very wary of trying to frame a player. Whoever we kill, I think that we should speculate very little, if at all, about why the player was killed. Assuming one night kill and one lynch per Day, we can't win any earlier than Day 6, which is a long way away. Now is not the time to be overly aggressive in trying to get townies lynched.
That being said, if Telcontar is a skilled player I'd be open to killing him.
As for my protection, I'm leaning towards a self-protect. Not because I think I'm any more valuable than any of you, but because if I may end up trying a false doctor claim at some point, and townie doctors nearly always self-protect early in the game. We may have a tracker or a watcher in this game -- the fact that we have to choose a player to make the kill makes it a possibility -- and I'd hate for my false claim to be outed by a tracker who knows that I targeted one of you when I claim to have self-protected. Worse, if I die and I'm revealed as a scum doctor a tracker or watcher who knows I targeted one of you would have a very good idea that you're scum. I'm probably just being paranoid, but chances are a Vig isn't going to target any of us(unless paul ends up being a Vig).
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 13:25:10 GMT -5
So I'm thinking either you should self protect, or you should protect one of our more vocal players (Paul, Chronos etc), that way if someone watches you or them, they'll see that they were protected. Also, if you protect one of them toNight, they might stick their foot in their mouth toMorrow and get themselves lynched. Maybe.
As for the NK, maybe just some random person. Freuding Slit? All Walker? Maybe even one of the people who posted almost nothing (just make sure the nothing wasn't about any of us).
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 13:25:49 GMT -5
I wonder if the sinners have a NK?
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Post by rysto on May 3, 2009 13:30:11 GMT -5
I really doubt it. Giving a cult a NK would be really unbalanced IMO. They might have a one-shot night kill, but their recruitment ability is already quite powerful on its own.
They may have a Godfather(a player immune to investigations). Reverend Dimmesdale would be an excellent candidate for a Godfather-type role.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 13:35:55 GMT -5
Rysto, I think Telconatar would be a good kill because of his skill and his false(unbeknownst to him) claims.
It's not so much of a frame up as a convenient bonus that he has been wrong.
Anyway, aside from Telcontar, does anyone have any ideas on who to kill? Ulimately, I'm going to have to make the call tomorrow night and I'm definitely leaning towards Telcontar.
Let me know if any specific people deserve it more.
My only question about being protected, Rysto, is this:
If I get killed by a vigilante, will my killing of a townie go through or be avoided? If there is a chance that it might be dodged, I should be protected and so should Joey if he does the kill(but I should be killing as long as we are both alive).
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 13:36:31 GMT -5
I wonder if the sinners have a NK? I highly, highly, doubt it...but we never know.
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 13:38:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't be doing the kill, not as long as we have you. I'll doing the investigation. BTW any thoughts on that? Someone random?
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Post by rysto on May 3, 2009 13:39:19 GMT -5
You're asking me?
If Mahaloth does the night kill toNight and a (hypothetical) Vig kills him toNight, does Mahaloth's kill go through?
I don't think that I've ever been in a game where the kill doesn't go through, but it doesn't hurt to be sure.
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 13:42:21 GMT -5
I think I've heard of some games where the orders go through in the order they were received.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 14:38:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't be doing the kill, not as long as we have you. I'll doing the investigation. BTW any thoughts on that? Someone random? My suggestions: Investigate Angel. She received votes and may do so again. It would be nice to know her status if that happens(we may want to throw a vote or two her way if she is a sinner). Otherwise, I'd prefer: Investigate Chronos, Paulwhoisaghost, Meeko, or specialed.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 19:53:20 GMT -5
So basically, I see it like this at this point. Feel free to discuss/suggest other ideas.
Kill: Telcontar by Mahaloth
Protect: Rysto
Investigate: AngelofNorth
Other ideas?
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 20:25:43 GMT -5
Here's another question, should we kill sinners or non sinners? It's early in the game, so it would be great if we could get rid of them all right now, OTOH, the way this game is setup I'm thinking there's got to be a lot of power roles for town. So if we NK pure townies we probably have a decent chance of getting rid of some power roles. I'm also wondering if perhaps moving from town to sinner strips your power role. I've been going over it in my head and there HAS to be a disadvantage to becoming a sinner. Being town seems like such an uphill battle, I can't think of any reason to want to be town in this game.
BTW I put an investigate request in for Chronos, I'm wondering if I have to wait until Daybreak to get my results or if we'll get them sooner.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 20:36:00 GMT -5
So...we are going with Chronos for investigation?
Should I put the kill order in for Telcontar or wait?
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Post by joeyp on May 3, 2009 20:46:34 GMT -5
Hold off, let's just see if there's any chance that I get the results back now instead of at dusk. Besides, there's no rush to put the kill order in. Besides, since night strategy is allowed, we might still find a reason to change our minds. On the other hand, if my investigation comes back with "Chronos is the magic key, kill him and you automatically win the game" well then go ahead and put the kill in right away.
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Post by mahaloth on May 3, 2009 20:55:00 GMT -5
Well, the only rush is that I'd like to get it in just in case Ped is acting out the chioces in the order he receives.
If I die first, I may lose the chance to make the kill.
Ped, have you seen Rysto's question?
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Post by joeyp on May 4, 2009 9:02:46 GMT -5
It appears as though Pede has been online since I sent the PM, so I'm guessing all the results go through at dusk. So I'd say whomever we decide to kill should be submitted sooner rather then later. I'd love to watch them talk and go from there (not there's any real conversation going on right now) but we don't know if night actions go through in the order that they are received or not.
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Post by mahaloth on May 4, 2009 10:30:28 GMT -5
I'm putting the kill order in now, then.
Mahaloth
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Post by mahaloth on May 4, 2009 11:32:18 GMT -5
K, so Telcontar will wake up dead on Day Two, unless I get killed first somehow.
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Post by joeyp on May 4, 2009 12:41:39 GMT -5
Rysto, don't forget to put in your protection PM.
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