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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 19:08:19 GMT -5
Post by pede on Mar 8, 2009 19:08:19 GMT -5
Pikmin Count:
1 Red Pikmin 1 Yellow Pikmin 0 Blue Pikmin 0 Purple Pikmin 2 White Pikmin
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 21:59:12 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 8, 2009 21:59:12 GMT -5
Crap. The hell is Parzival doing? He should be a good little townie and give me my extra Pikmin for an extra night-kill, thank you very much!
Oh well. Hopefully we'll win today without any further casualties. All we actually need is four town votes on Shaggy.
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 22:18:12 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 8, 2009 22:18:12 GMT -5
OK Punker, here's your mission. It might very well fail, on account of no extra night-kill, but hell, I could get lucky and get me a purple one.
Soooo... assuming there is a second night-kill, we need some way to explain it without giving away that there's two scum left. Got it?
But if we explain it with a delayed daykill or some similar device, how to also explain the fact that our killer (that'd be you BTW) doesn't target dangerous town role-player Molefan? If Punker were to target anyone with a daykill ability, I'd pretty much be guaranteed to be it. I'm the only one with an investigative and a protective power.
Fortunately, Pede has made our job a lot easier by declaring that a poisoner specifically has delayed kills. My thought is something like this:
Punker, you do everything you can to get Pollux and me to post the word "parasol". Or some such word, as long as Pollux posts something specific to Peach. My suggestion: you just ask Pollux a question with the word "parasol" in it, so that he'd have to repeat the word in order to answer.
Then you quote his post where he'd said it, and then say in bold purple letters: "I use Mark of the Parasol on Pollux." (Take off the quotes obviously.) Say it late in the day and make sure that that's the LAST thing you say. Don't give any explanations, don't give any hints that you're claiming a daykill. Let them work it out if you're lynched and turn out to be a "poisoner". It'll be that more convincing if the town work it out themselves - and if they don't, I'll give 'em a hint. Coming from me, it won't look like a setup. Coming from either of you two, it will.
It's VITAL for this to work that neither Punker nor Kat gives any indication that Punker is claiming a daykill. Punker, you don't say anything regarding it. Ignore any questions, etc. Kat, don't say anything unless directly questioned, and then act completely ignorant. You don't have any idea what Punker's up to. That way, the town gets to "work it out" themselves. If they do that, they'll never think that it might be a setup.
Also, Kat, it might be a good idea for you to claim to have redirected Pollux onto KidV maybe? I'm assuming now that Parzival was in fact the one who strengthened Punker's power. I'd like to know why he did it, and I'm REALLY irritated that he ignored my own request, but hell, we might as well use it to take some suspicion off you. We only need one townie to put two votes on Shaggy rather than you in order to win. The point is: if Parzival strengthened Punker, and nobody else has a role that involves night visits, there's no way that you can effectively be disproved.
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 22:24:34 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 8, 2009 22:24:34 GMT -5
Actually don't do that... claim to have switched Hoopy and KidV instead. Pollux might know he was targeted last night by Punker's love-potion. Hoopy's a credible night-kill target.
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Day 7
Mar 8, 2009 22:32:09 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 8, 2009 22:32:09 GMT -5
Actually don't do that... claim to have switched Hoopy and KidV instead. Pollux might know he was targeted last night by Punker's love-potion. Hoopy's a credible night-kill target. Actually forget that too... it's also credible that the scum might want to use "essence of love" on KidV.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 1:22:48 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 9, 2009 1:22:48 GMT -5
Pollux: " According to the great Mod in the sky, toDay I can't vote." Punker, I think I love you. F--k FOUR votes on a townie, now we only need ONE... that means that if a single townie votes for anybody other than Kat, Punker or myself, and Kat and myself are available at the end of the day, we have a guaranteed win.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 2:38:15 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Mar 9, 2009 2:38:15 GMT -5
;D ;D I think I love Parzival. WTF? Why did he support me?
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 6:33:42 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 9, 2009 6:33:42 GMT -5
;D ;D I think I love Parzival. WTF? Why did he support me? I don't know. It feels like some sort of plan to smoke you out - either that, or he meant for someone to redirect away from you and onto someone else. In fact I'm baffled right now - what the heck are the town (and KidV, going on the comments section) smoking? They literally have NO idea how badly they're doing right now. I know we've been doing our best to convince them that they're winning, but damn... they've missed just about every warning sign, and even this one doesn't seem to have convinced them that actually they should be really, really re-evaluating their position right now.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 17:50:28 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 9, 2009 17:50:28 GMT -5
Kat, I really really think it might confuse them a helluva lot if you claimed to switch Pollux and KidV. Even more so if you say you did it because you think Pollux was the obvious night-kill target... hell, he's already effectively outed one scum!
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 18:15:06 GMT -5
Post by kat on Mar 9, 2009 18:15:06 GMT -5
I'ma do that.
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 19:06:25 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 9, 2009 19:06:25 GMT -5
On voting: Kat, I think you and I should wait until late on to complete our votes, and then make sure we can start the countdown at a time when we're both online. I know I'll probably be at work on the date that this day ends.
You ok with dat? I'd be looking to start the countdown so that the day ends between 6pm and 9pm EST ideally...
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Day 7
Mar 9, 2009 19:16:09 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 9, 2009 19:16:09 GMT -5
PS - sorry for nagging you, I'll stop now. ;D
Damn, I'm beginning to sound like my ex-gf...
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 2:01:09 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Mar 10, 2009 2:01:09 GMT -5
I don't know how you want me to vote yet. Let me know. I don't even know what to post.
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 6:10:21 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 10, 2009 6:10:21 GMT -5
Wait until the end, see who the townies vote for with their second and third votes, then put your three votes on someone who's already got one third-place vote. With Pollux out the way it's 3 vs 3 instead of 3 vs 4, so if Kat and I can both get online at the end of the day, we're set.
Kat, once again, let's not start the countdown at all if possible. Also please let us know when you can be online to finish this!
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 17:20:07 GMT -5
Post by kat on Mar 10, 2009 17:20:07 GMT -5
Just so that I can truthfully say that I asked this:
pede, does "unless they would hit themselves. In such an event, the action would go through successfully" mean that I can't redirect someone who is self-targeting, or that I can't redirect someone back onto themselves?[/quote]
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 17:25:02 GMT -5
Post by kat on Mar 10, 2009 17:25:02 GMT -5
Let's try that again...
pede, does "unless they would hit themselves. In such an event, the action would go through successfully" mean that I can't redirect someone who is self-targeting, or that I can't redirect someone back onto themselves?
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 19:32:41 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 10, 2009 19:32:41 GMT -5
Right, if Parzival lied about who he visited last night because he's PFK or something (which he could be - we know there's no game-changing PFK left, but that doesn't mean there's no survivor) then we might be able to catch him. I don't think it'll matter, but just in case the last-minute voting thing falls through again, what do you guys think about this?
OK, I've been thinking about this.
Someone please explain to me how nobody could visit me last night if what Parzival is saying is true.
(Note: I'm not saying I was roleblocked, because as far as the PM I got last night says, I wasn't. I'm saying I watched myself last night, to see if someone would try anything on with Parzival, and nobody visited me. Not Parzival or anyone else.)
So... as I work it out, if someone visited me and switched the effects on me with someone else, I'd see that that person had visited me, but I wouldn't see Parzival, because he'd only visited that other person.
And if someone had visited me and switched my role with someone else - for example, if I ended up watching Hoopy or Parz instead of me - they'd have to visit Hoopy or Parz too. So I'd still see the person who'd switched us, but not Parzival.
That leaves the possibility that someone only visited Parzival, but they switched his effects from me to somebody else.
The only claimed role-redirector is Kat, but according to her role PM that was posted two days ago, she can only switch targets, not targeters. This point's never even been brought up until now. So the first possibility, as far as I can see, is that Kat somehow foresaw a situation like this - a full two days in advance - and decided to truthfully post her scum role PM but change that one detail. Hoopy, if you can come up with anything like a reasonable explanation for why she'd do that, I'd like to hear it, because it sounds like nonsense to me. Why change that one bit? What difference could it possibly make then?
The second possibility is that Parzival was role-blocked. Only the way he tells it, that's not what happened - he was redirected. Parz, I'd really like to know how definite you are about this.
The third possibility is that as well as there being a scum who kills KidV (for no reason at all that I can see, it's practically suicide to kill a live suspect this late on) and one that puts an extra three votes on Pollux, you have one of them doubling as a role-redirector, and that one isn't Kat.
The most obvious possibility to me is this: Kat is telling the truth and Parzival is lying, and he just got caught.
Right now here's what I'm considering: Pollux gets a vision. Kat does exactly what she says. Punker, who's the obvious choice for a night-kill with a watcher/tracker around since he can't be outed, attempts to kill Pollux, but is redirected. Parzival somehow uses his power to block KidV's votes, but is also redirected. I assume Parzival is also the one who has to fear Pollux. Hoopy and Shaggy do nothing. I watch myself.
Anybody got anything to say to this?
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 19:35:53 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 10, 2009 19:35:53 GMT -5
Add at the end of paragraph five: "Besides I should have one extra Pikmin in that case, and I don't."
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 19:37:52 GMT -5
Post by pede on Mar 10, 2009 19:37:52 GMT -5
Let's try that again... pede, does "unless they would hit themselves. In such an event, the action would go through successfully" mean that I can't redirect someone who is self-targeting, or that I can't redirect someone back onto themselves?It means that if you were to redirect someone such that they would target themselves, it wouldn't work on them. Now, if they were originally targeting themselves, and you switched them with someone else, they would switch.
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 21:51:02 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 10, 2009 21:51:02 GMT -5
OK... not going to post. I'd love to, because I think Parz is trying one on, but my worry is that someone's going to come right out and say that they also have a role-redirection power and forgot that I was protected, and so planned to switch me with Punker instead.
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 21:58:37 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 10, 2009 21:58:37 GMT -5
OK... now I'm a little p-ssed off.
I was all feeling kinda sorry for ripping into KidV as I have until I saw his "spoilt" posts in the "For those of you following at home" thread. IMO he's gone way past "close" with his "Hoopy you're so close" statement, not to mention the "Evil succubus" one. To anyone who doesn't know what a succubus is, that's going to be interprited by anyone still in the game in its most obvious form. Stop him NOW please! I'd prefer to delete those posts too, or at least move them to a spoiled thread - although there's no way to tell how many people have seen them.
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 21:59:45 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 10, 2009 21:59:45 GMT -5
Forgot to bold and green that last post. Please get KidV out of the unspoiled thread!
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Day 7
Mar 10, 2009 23:45:33 GMT -5
Post by pede on Mar 10, 2009 23:45:33 GMT -5
OK... now I'm a little p-ssed off. I was all feeling kinda sorry for ripping into KidV as I have until I saw his "spoilt" posts in the "For those of you following at home" thread. IMO he's gone way past "close" with his "Hoopy you're so close" statement, not to mention the "Evil succubus" one. To anyone who doesn't know what a succubus is, that's going to be interprited by anyone still in the game in its most obvious form. Stop him NOW please! I'd prefer to delete those posts too, or at least move them to a spoiled thread - although there's no way to tell how many people have seen them. ! I missed that one!
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 17:29:14 GMT -5
Post by kat on Mar 11, 2009 17:29:14 GMT -5
So, if you want the countdown to start between 6 and 9 AM Thursday (ending the Day between 6 and 9 PM Thursday), I can vote right before I leave tomorrow morning, which is about 7:20 AM Central (8:20 AM Eastern), or right after I get to work, which would be about 8 AM Central (9 AM Eastern).
Otherwise, I will not have access between 9-9:30 AM Central (10-10:30 AM Central) or after 12 Noon Central (1 PM Eastern) until after I get home from my doctor's appt (maybe 4-ish PM Central/5-ish PM Eastern to be on the safe side). I will NOT however, be actively surfing from work, if you need me on at a specific time, I need to know the time.
Er...who am I voting for again?
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 17:51:30 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 11, 2009 17:51:30 GMT -5
So, if you want the countdown to start between 6 and 9 AM Thursday (ending the Day between 6 and 9 PM Thursday), I can vote right before I leave tomorrow morning, which is about 7:20 AM Central (8:20 AM Eastern), or right after I get to work, which would be about 8 AM Central (9 AM Eastern). Otherwise, I will not have access between 9-9:30 AM Central (10-10:30 AM Central) or after 12 Noon Central (1 PM Eastern) until after I get home from my doctor's appt (maybe 4-ish PM Central/5-ish PM Eastern to be on the safe side). I will NOT however, be actively surfing from work, if you need me on at a specific time, I need to know the time. Er...who am I voting for again? Well since the town doesn't seem to have caught onto the plan, I suggest we both wait until no more than 12 hours before the end of day before casting our final votes. That means don't complete your votes until 8AM on Friday. Pollux can't vote, so they can't start the countdown without the three of us. Punker, make sure you vote as your #1 choice someone who's already got at least one town vote as #1 - ideally Shaggy, but it really doesn't matter. If we get ten votes on a player, no matter who it is, we win. Kat and I just have to take our votes off you and follow your lead.
Kat, here's what I suggest: You can vote for someone like Punker, Parzival and Shaggy; I won't vote for Shaggy at all. So it won't look like a Shaggy bus. If Punker were to vote Shaggy, me, you, it wouldn't really leave any clues as to what we're doing.
So my suggestion is:
- Everyone wait until at least 8AM on Friday before voting.
- Kat, vote Punker (3 votes), Parz (2 votes) and Shaggy (1 vote).
- Punker, protest that you've been framed and vote Shaggy (3 votes), Molefan (2 votes), Kat (1 vote), provided Shaggy has got at least one vote from someone else. If not, vote whichever townie has been voted for by another townie (Parzival, say).
- I vote Punker (3 votes), Kat and Parzival (two and one vote, in either order) and stay away from Shaggy.
- Then last minute, Kat and I both switch to voting Shaggy, Parzival, Hoopy or something. And whammo! - One mislynch, game over, wham bam thank YOU ma'am.
(Naturally, if Shaggy receives no town votes at all, Punker won't vote Shaggy as his #1, and we won't switch to him.)
Kat, Would you be able to come online at the "official" end of day (8PM EST on Friday)? I know that'd be fine for me.
Punker, could you also vote after 8AM on Friday? Would that be a problem? You'd be the guide here - just make sure you vote someone into the #1 spot that's already got at least one vote from the townies. Again - if we can get ten votes on one person, and don't vote for Punker, Kat or myself, we win automatically.
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 17:53:12 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 11, 2009 17:53:12 GMT -5
I'll repeat the last part because it's so important: Punker needs to come online at least once after 8AM on Friday to cast his vote, and Kat needs to be online with me at just before 8PM. Please confirm that's OK!
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Day 7
Mar 11, 2009 18:26:03 GMT -5
Post by kat on Mar 11, 2009 18:26:03 GMT -5
Definitely. I have no problems being online at 8 PM Friday night. That's 8 PM Eastern, yes, pede?
In fact, I may just hold off voting at all until then, or else just put in the #1 punker vote before switching over at the end.
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Day 7
Mar 12, 2009 2:14:02 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Mar 12, 2009 2:14:02 GMT -5
Yes. I will be able to make it. Friday evening there is Saturday morning for me, so I can be online at any time.
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Day 7
Mar 12, 2009 6:34:36 GMT -5
Post by molefan1981 on Mar 12, 2009 6:34:36 GMT -5
WEll, Shaggy's got two town votes now, which puts him right in contention. Punker, vote him as your top vote, with I suggest me and Kat at #2 and #3 respectively, and Kat and I can do the last-minute switch to him and can his ass.
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Day 7
Mar 12, 2009 8:44:38 GMT -5
Post by crazypunker22 on Mar 12, 2009 8:44:38 GMT -5
you want me to vote him now?
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