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Day Six
Jun 5, 2009 14:35:29 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 5, 2009 14:35:29 GMT -5
Monday.
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Day Six
Jun 5, 2009 14:58:52 GMT -5
Post by joeyp on Jun 5, 2009 14:58:52 GMT -5
I think I'll try to keep Meeko somewhat engaged (again Meeko, you've done us more help then we can thank you for). And I want to keep Paul's vote on me. Honestly, I really really think that the ONLY reason Paul voted me is to see how I'd react to it, so I'm wondering if I should start getting defensive and arguing with him over it. Nah, doesn't matter. Come to think of it, even if his vote is just to 'test' me, he'll still move it to rysto. Then toMorrow he'll move it to either me or Mahaloth depending on how I react.
Wait, we still don't know what's going on with Paul's vote. Ped, a we REALLY need a ruling on Paul, our strategy kinda depends on what's going on with his vote[/color].
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Day Six
Jun 5, 2009 15:47:26 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 5, 2009 15:47:26 GMT -5
Ped, what is your policy on last minute votes? If the deadline is 4PM EST and votes come in as follows:
Rysto votes at 3:59 PM Mahaloth votes at 4:00 PM Joey P votes at 4:01 PM
Whose votes count? Does Joey's count if you're late in getting the Dusk post up? :bleached: In the Werewolf Split game, ped was quite strict. A vote came in one minute late, and was NOT counted. I think in your scenario, only Rysto's vote would count. the 4:00 and 4:01 votes would not count, if I am understanding right.
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Day Six
Jun 6, 2009 12:47:45 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 6, 2009 12:47:45 GMT -5
The fact that the game is a bit dead is going to be good for us.
I wish Ped would respond about the "paul situation", but we're good now that he has switched his vote.
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Day Six
Jun 6, 2009 13:17:53 GMT -5
Post by joeyp on Jun 6, 2009 13:17:53 GMT -5
We are, but like I said, I really think he's just doing to see how I react, I think he'll move it back to rysto before Day end.
Anyways, who do we all want to vote for toDay. It would probably be a waste to vote Peeker or Paul since we really don't know if either of them are still playing. So that leaves Meeko and IS. The last time I checked IS was pure, and Meeko swears up and down that he's pure (but Paul doesn't think so). I'm thinking we switch our vote to Meeko and then NK Peeker if we haven't won at that point.
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Day Six
Jun 6, 2009 13:46:48 GMT -5
Post by joeyp on Jun 6, 2009 13:46:48 GMT -5
Another thought is to pick someone other then Meeko to lynch and then give a basic open ended reason to argue their lynch "Fuck it guys, I re-read the entire thread (I'd suggest you all do the same), I believe Rysto about the redirector, it's the only thing that makes sense. unvote, vote______"
What would we say to me doing that tomarrow (Sunday) so you (Mahaloth) can have 'time to read the entire thread' and you agree with me and can change your vote Monday morning at some point. Rysto can do the same out of self-preservation. The thing is, if the game is 4-3 right now, we REALLY need to swing one town vote on to town (even if Paul stays on me, it's still a coin toss). If we lynch Rysto toNight, I'll be able to put my vote on _____ toMorrow and hopefully not have too many questions to answer (and I'll ignore them most likely anyways, besides Paul never answered my questions).
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Day Six
Jun 6, 2009 20:02:39 GMT -5
Post by joeyp on Jun 6, 2009 20:02:39 GMT -5
The fact that the game is a bit dead is going to be good for us. It's odd that Meeko made a comment in the public thread right after you made this comment here.
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Day Six
Jun 6, 2009 21:59:25 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 6, 2009 21:59:25 GMT -5
No, I think we should give no reasoning and not change any vote until Monday near 12.
Rysto, go ahead and choose which person we kill and put your vote whenever.
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Post by joeyp on Jun 7, 2009 8:33:37 GMT -5
No, if Rysto votes first and we jump ship, it'll be very obvious that we're scum. Now, they'll probably figure it out pretty quick, but if we can put a little itty bitty doubt in everyone's mind, we'll have a better chance toMorrow. I'll use what I said above to move my vote, then you (mahaloth) move yours (after you agree with me and "re-read" the thread), Rysto can just simply vote for the same person out of self-preservation, doesn't even need to give a reason if he doesn't want to.
So, we REALLY need to figure out who to vote for, and I'll move mine.
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Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 8:41:28 GMT -5
Joey, I thought we were making a last minute swing of vote in order to WIN THE GAME toDay, not worrying about toMorrow.
Rysto, what are you thinking we are doing?
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Post by joeyp on Jun 7, 2009 9:08:13 GMT -5
We are, but if Paul's vote counts and he moves it to Rysto OR if Peeker shows up and votes Rysto Rysto will have three votes, so it'll be a tie and a coin flip will make the decision. If Rysto loses the decision, we'll have another day. Town will go in to toMorrow with out a good feel for who is scum so we'll need to sway the vote away from us, my thought is that by moving my vote the way I suggested (which has the same effect on toDay as a last minute vote change) it'll put some doubt on to that person, ToMorrow we can attempt to dig up reasons to vote for that person.* OTOH, if Peeker doesn't show up and Paul's vote doesn't count, it doesn't matter when we switch, we could just all go vote for someone else right now (do we need to worry about a sinner wincon?) and who cares if they know we're scum. I'm just trying to prepare for losing a coinflip.
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Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 9:23:08 GMT -5
OK, Joey.
Walk me through step by step what you are thinking. Here is my versions:
1. Rysto picks who we vote for and places his vote whenever he wants to.
2. You and I maintain our vote on Rysto.
3. Monday(tomorrow) at 11:50, we switch our vote to whomever Rysto picked. Then,
3a. We may win the game if no one comes in to give Rysto enough votes.
3b. We head to a coin flip at worst. Does the math support that our worst case scenario is coin flip?
THEN, Either:
4a. We win the coinflip and win the game.
4b. We lose the coinflip, kill someone in the Night, and enter another coinflip toMorrow.
Am I wrong?
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Post by joeyp on Jun 7, 2009 9:52:02 GMT -5
You're right assuming EITHER Peeker doesn't show up OR Paul's vote doesn't count, if they both get votes in, it'll be 4-3 today, and 3-2 toMorrow. So if we don't win toNight for that reason OR if we lose the coin flip we'll still be playing toMorrow...right. The problem is, if we both jump ship and follow Rysto, especially at the last minute, it'll be abundantly clear that you and I are scum, right. That'll most likely lose the game for us.
Now, if I move over to someone else with some vague reason (or a good reason for that matter), you follow me, and Rysto moves for self preservation, we'll end toDay with the same results as your plan, but toMorrow, we won't look as much like scum and town will actually have to think about their vote. That's what we want. We don't want to go into toMorrow with town knowing that we are scum or they'll vote for one of us one day and the other the next day.
So you're not wrong, I'm just suggesting a different strategy. Same votes, different order and reasons. Does that make sense to you though. If we all move at the last minute, town will pretty much know that we are scum, we need to plan for the worst outcome (the VERY worst being Paul and Peeker get in a vote, only slightly less worse one of Paul or Peeker don't get a vote and there's a tie). Best case scenario us moving our votes my way get's one of town to follow us and we win.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 10:44:09 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 10:44:09 GMT -5
Rysto, what do you think?
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 16:24:28 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 16:24:28 GMT -5
I think that the deadline is 4PM Eastern, not 12 noon.
If we wait to literally the last minute, then I doubt that the town can react fast enough to save themselves. This also allows us to abort at basically any time without any risk to you.
The way that I see it, we have two choices here. We can either go for the win the the last-minute switch, and accept the risk that you two will be outed, or you two can let me be lynched and try to win this thing at double lynch-or-lose.
There are two risks with the last minute switch: first, paul or peeker(or god forbid, both) might react fast enough to switch a vote to me. Second, if one of us gets distracted and misses the timing, we lose.
At double lynch or lose, the two of you have to get one Townie to vote for another Townie. Meeko would seem to be the best candidate for that, but he might get suspicious that he's been left alive because you think that he'll vote the way you want. Paul has figured things out based on the claimed PMs, which is a shame. If he can convince IS and peeker, we could be in trouble.
I don't think that you guys can switch and convince people that you're not scum if I come up scum. Either go all-out for the win tomorrow, or try to win this at double lynch or lose.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 16:27:21 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 16:27:21 GMT -5
Ok, the Day ends Noon Monday MDT.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 16:28:32 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 16:28:32 GMT -5
Which is 2 PM Eastern.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 16:36:40 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 16:36:40 GMT -5
And now that I've got my thinking cap on again(clearly my impending demise has me off my game), paul looks incredibly scummy not voting for me. He might be an easy lynch candidate toMorrow.
If we wanted to be really tricky, Mahaloth and I could try a last minute switch to Joey, only having Mahaloth's vote coming after the deadline. That's a bit too cute, I think.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 17:08:13 GMT -5
Post by joeyp on Jun 7, 2009 17:08:13 GMT -5
Wouldn't that run the risk of getting me lynched?
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 17:27:25 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 17:27:25 GMT -5
That's why Mahaloth's vote comes in after the deadline.
Like I said, it's too cute. It outs Mahaloth and runs the risk of getting you lynched.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 17:38:41 GMT -5
Post by joeyp on Jun 7, 2009 17:38:41 GMT -5
Also, we have to figure everyone is gonna be refreshing during those last few minutes. If they figure it's a scum tactic they might jump on board.
I'm still thinking that I should pretend like I did a big re-read and had an epiphany and decided to vote someone else, Mahaloth can agree and move his vote and then you can move yours. And we still haven't gotten a ruling on what's going on with Paul after posting to the forbidden thread.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 18:40:56 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 18:40:56 GMT -5
A ruling on paul doesn't matter as long as he doesn't move his vote to me.
And I'm telling you, if you move your vote off of me at this stage of the Day, you're announcing that you're scum no matter what reasons you try to invent. They won't believe you, and if you move your vote before the last minute it's way more likely that paul moves his vote to me.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 18:48:47 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 18:48:47 GMT -5
No, It's 3 PM. Right?
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 18:51:31 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 18:51:31 GMT -5
Also, we have to figure everyone is gonna be refreshing during those last few minutes. I actually doubt they will be refreshing a ton. Just meeko, most likely. We need to decide two things: 1. The Day ends Monday at 2:00, not three as i said above. Is that right? 2. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? ? I think we should all shift our votes to one person tomorrow. I suggest Meeko.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 18:53:37 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 18:53:37 GMT -5
What, the guy who's done so much for us?
Although, winning by lynching a confirmed Townie would be pretty funny.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 19:05:35 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 19:05:35 GMT -5
Rysto, have you voted? What do you think we should do?
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 19:25:15 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 19:25:15 GMT -5
My gut says that if we all vote at 1:59, we can't lose.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 19:46:38 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 19:46:38 GMT -5
I agree, though I'd make it 1:55 PM or so to be safe.
Here is what I believe we should do. Rysto and Joey, please comment to acknowledge this is the plan or to indicate what you want to do differently.
At 1:40-1:50 EDT PM tomorrow, we should all check in here to make sure we are all present and acccounted for.
At 1:55 PM EDT, we should all vote for....let's say Meeko for now.
Good? Everyone agree? I don't care if it is someone other than Meeko, by the way, but let us know if we have a different target.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 20:08:04 GMT -5
Post by rysto on Jun 7, 2009 20:08:04 GMT -5
Also, I should vote first. Just in case something stupid happens and I lose power/internet/whatever at a critical moment. If it happens to one of you, whoever it happened to is still safe. If it happens to me, we're screwed.
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Day Six
Jun 7, 2009 20:22:12 GMT -5
Post by mahaloth on Jun 7, 2009 20:22:12 GMT -5
Also, I should vote first. Just in case something stupid happens and I lose power/internet/whatever at a critical moment. If it happens to one of you, whoever it happened to is still safe. If it happens to me, we're screwed. You can vote whenever you want to, really. Hey, even pick whomever you want. It does not matter to me. Make a case if you want or don't. You are dead if we screw up and you are a winner if we don't. You could do it now if you want.
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